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Comment on Solar Panels Kit © – it Has Never Been Easier! by James E

James E — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:05:59 +0000

Climate change as well as global warming and cooling are caused by variations of output in the sun. The power output levels of the sun are controlled and enhanced by sunspot activity which can vary the suns actual output by 10% or more. To maintain a decent comfortable climate as we had from say the 1950 through 1990 requires a daily average of 110 to 120 sunspots. If the suns output climbs to 130 or higher we have a warm climate like all the previous optimums of history the warmest at about 8 degrees warmer than the current was the Holocene optimum from 8 to 4 thousand years ago. Recently we had another optimum that was 4 to 6 degrees warmer than the current optimum that lasted from 800 through 1300 a period of 500 years with one mild cool spell in it. This was followed by a cool period called the little ice age that extended from about 1350 through 1850 that was called the little ice age by science and contained the Maunder solar minimum the coldest part of the current 13,000 year long optimum. Learn science and help study why the sun changes like this and ignore silly religions like AGW and the fools that follow and promote these religions of scientific suppression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
http://www.examiner.com/x-4648-Atlanta-Weather-Examiner~y2009m6d21-Sun-spot-cycle-impacting-global-warming-and-cooling

http://docinthemachine.com/2007/02/15/flawedpeers/
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message307338/pg1
http://m.climaterealists.com/index.php?id=2516
http://minnesotansforglobalwarming.com/m4gw/2009/01/earth-on-the-brink-of-an-ice-age.html
http://swampie.wordpress.com/2009/01/11/what-the-vostok-ice-core-data-says-about-global-warming-and-more-importantly-cooling/
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Comment on Solar Panels Kit © – it Has Never Been Easier! by gone galt

gone galt — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:03:59 +0000

sounds like you’ve done a through analysis of the available information & have reached a logical conclusion.
congratulations on proving you’re an intelligent individual & not just a mindless puppet blindly repeating rumors & propaganda like most other people.
I happen to agree with your assessment but you shouldn’t let other peoples personal opinions influence your own.
it looks like josh E may have reached a different conclusion using the same logical process you used, in an ideal world you 2 would share information & discuss it.
its good to see young people like you thinking for yourself, maybe the current school system isn’t as bad as I thought.
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Comment on Solar Panels Kit © – it Has Never Been Easier! by Paul B

Paul B — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:01:59 +0000

There is an outstanding summary of the situation in December 18 SCIENCE, free download

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/326/5960/1646

That’s … sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/326/5960/1646

Presidential Address:
Reflections On: Our Planet and Its Life, Origins, and Futures
James J. McCarthy, Alexander Agassiz Professor of Biological Oceanography at Harvard University

An outstanding, well-referenced, review of the situation. It’s all there; history of the global warming concept, role of solar fluctuations, the actual temperature record with ranking of years, the extent to which predictions since 1995 have been justified and indeed amplified by events.

The National Academies Press has released a book (free online) discussing the climate for the past 2000 years, and how well we know it:

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11676

That’s

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.
php?record_id=11676

There is a very detailed discussion of the relative importance of different kinds of influence in Hansen, J., et al. (2005), Efficacy of climate forcings, J. Geophys. Res., 110, D18104, doi:10.1029/2005JD005776.,

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2005/2005_Hansen_etal_2.pdf

http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov
/docs/2005/2005_Hansen
_etal_2.pdf

The more we learn, the clearer it becomes that global warming is real, serious, unprecedented, driven mainly by human activity, and requires appropriate action. This conclusion is reached even after taking natural variation, such as that connected to the sunspot cycle, into account. See the NSF overview:

"Transitions and Tipping Points in Complex Environmental Systems"

through: http://www.nsf.gov/geo/ere/ereweb/advisory.cfm

…nsf.gov/geo/ere/
ereweb/advisory.cfm
There are some excellent web sites, e.g.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/newsarchives.php

that’s ….skepticalscience.com
/newsarchives.php

that rebuts the catalogue of zombie (dead but won’t lie down) denialist objections one by one, with real scientific data and references to publications. This site will give you the real data with real links to the actual research papers written by real scientists.

As well as http://www.nsf.gov/news/special_reports/degree/launch.jsp?WT.mc_id=USNSF_51

and statement at

http://royalsociety.org/Joint-Royal-Society-NERC-Met-Office-climate-science-statement/

with endorsements or similar statements endorsed by the [US] National Academy of Sciences, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Indian National Science Academy, Russian Academy of Sciences etc listed at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Academies_of_Science

and eg The Hot Topic, Dvd King, Prof. Cambridge (now Oxford); Global Warming 4th ed. 2009, John Houghton, Prof. AtmosphericSci., Oxford

There is a lot of disinformation out there, and a lot of fossil fuel money being spent to push it. All too successfully, to judge from YA
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Comment on Solar Panels Kit © – it Has Never Been Easier! by Richie

Richie — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:59:59 +0000

Global warming is a new religious cult even although warming and cooling has been going on for millions of years on this planet. Thankfully we all now know that accurate and representative temperature measurements from satellites and balloons show that the planet has cooled significantly in the last two or three years, losing in only 18 months 15% of the claimed warming which took over 100 years to appear — that warming was only one degree Fahrenheit (half of one degree Celsius) anyway, and part of this is a systematic error from ground station readings which are inflated due to the ‘urban heat island effect’ i.e. local heat retention due to urban sprawl, not global warming…and it is these, ‘false high’ ground readings which are then programmed into the disreputable climate models, which live up to the GIGO acronym — garbage in, garbage out.

We also know for a fact that atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, currently only 350 parts per million have been over 18 times higher in the past at a time when cars, factories and power stations did not exist — levels rise and fall without mankind’s help.

I expect that Global warming will fizzle out like all the other environmental scares over the next few years
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Josh E. =P — Sat, 17 Apr 2010 12:57:59 +0000

well think about this there are substances in the air… that we change/rearrange into other substances… (via manufacturing/automobile usage/waste/using up air chemical products/chlorofluorocarbons<<< BIG FACTOR)

now that’s gotta have some sorta effect eventually doesn’t it?

that’s the factor from Man (Mankind/etc).

on the other hand:
there’s also other outside factors that can effect that we would define as "natural,"
like UV rays, various cycles (rain cycle, nitrogen cycle, carbon cycle, etc)..
that all come into play.

doesn’t mean any climate changes over the next 30 years will be drastic (like maybe Gore emphasizes) BUT…eventually if things get off-place/we have enough an offset of certain elements/compounds, then we could actually see some significant changes.

example: there are places that have thinner ozone layers that most scientist would agree have linked to chlorofluorocarbons… look it up.
—less ozone (our protective layer) means more exposure certain things.. (UV rays)

certain kinds of pollution are bad.. some cause more changes then others is what i think… (like CFCs)
References :
http://snowtenis.wordpress.com/2009/12/22/study-shows-cfcs-cosmic-rays-major-culprits-for-global-warming/

look up the "runaway refrigerator effect" on Mars.
http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s10.htm

then look up the atmospheric conditions on planet Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus

–compare the two

then there’s our atmosphere which is currently stable..
our data for planetary weather systems should come partially from examples in other planets…

and according to those… well see for yourself what could happen in extreme cases.

http://www.howstuffworks.com/ozone-layer.htm/printable
-good youtube video btw

best thing extreme weather-wise is just focus on keeping that protective layer… not making it too thick, too thin… keep a good, balanced composition…

like in the story of Goldilocks… "just right"

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